I have read a lot of stuff in the last few days concerning Bonfire night, and it seems like most of it is written from the perspective of people who know jack shit about it. I heard it referred to as English thanksgiving, which is just shit (Come on, think of a better one please that’s really poor!), and no end of V for vendetta conspiracy bullshitty US Election crap.
The proper meaning of the celebration quite possibly has its roots in old pagan lore and seeing as though its a week after Halloween, it seems to be an ending to the festival of Samhain, when fires were probably lit in a similar way to excorcise spirits at the end of the celebrations, like a cleansing rite. Bonfires were lit all over the UK during the various plagues, as it was an effective cleaning method when disposing with the bodies of the dead, and at times were encouraged to do it at the same time all over to create a nationwide “cleaning” of infected.
Lets not forget that during the time between Halloween and the 5th, we have another old traditional day/night, Mischief Night (usually on the 4th) which in latter years has been somewhat quieter than it was when I was a kid, this too harks back to the old and is probably where trick or treat derives from. Mischief night is where kids tend to be quite malicious and get up to all sorts of no good, with sometimes deadly consequences, fireworks through doors and windows, random fires set and property damage have all been done in the past.
Yes, please if you don’t mind, we in the UK know all about the back story of Guido Fawkes and the gunpowder plot, so I don’t take offense that you can only see this UK tradition from the angle of V for Vendetta, (Shitty comic, Shitty film too) but can you just stop trying to act like you really know what your talking about and trying to change it to suit your vague interpretation.
November the 5th is about burning traitors and terrorists, not exhaulting them. “Guy” Fawkes was one of them, and if it had been done in this century, he would be regarded in the same way as a suicide bomber or any other scum like that. Terrorism, plain and simple.
Now all you gimpy little anarchy types with your copy of V for vendetta up your asses, citing the events within it, smiling like a gimp with your V mask on, are just basically wannabe terrorist sympathisers. Yeah it happened hundreds of years ago, but the principle remains the same. this is how we deal with traitors.
I’m no supporter of government, nor any other organisation with political or religious agendas, but get a grip people you want to bastardise something that isn’t yours to bastardise. Fair enough if your in the UK for the celebrations, then you can take part yourself and see for yourself, my problem is all the bullshit written about it lately comes from people who obviously don’t come from the UK and have never experienced it. Culturally exempt, and this does not travel well.
It’s like me in “jolly olde” England (trust me, it might be old, but it ain’t jolly!) trying to have thanks giving or 4th July (yeah, we lost, but 50% of my ancestry is Canadian anyway, so I’m not too fussed!)
They are both something I do not give a shit about, nor will I ever take part in, so what’s the point in me even having an opinion about? Culturally and nationally I don’t have the deep understanding that ties me to it. Just like the issue with Bonfire Night, those outside the UK won’t deeply understand the tradition as they haven’t grown up with it, just as their parents did, and those before them. Ad infinitum.
Please stop trying to make this yours.
It’s not, and we are proud of our traitor burning, and ancient pagan roots.